Episode 201

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27th Aug 2025

EAP 201: Flight of the Dragonfly – Resilience, Reinvention, and Self-Discovery with Zulma Williams

In this powerful episode of the Early Accountability Podcast, host Kimi Walker sits down with Zulma Williams, licensed clinical social worker, motivational speaker, and founder of Dragonfly Therapy Services. Affectionately known to her audience as “The Swearing Therapist,” Zulma shares her remarkable journey from Buenos Aires to the United States, where she began her bachelor’s degree in social work at age 42 and earned her master’s at 50, all while battling breast cancer and rebuilding her life with purpose and grit. With candor and authenticity, she recounts how her own battles with trauma, anxiety, depression, and major life changes led her to embrace therapy as a calling and forge a career grounded in resilience, humor, and real talk.

Throughout the conversation, Zulma and Kimi explore the importance of consistency, self-compassion, and showing up for yourself one day or one moment at a time. Zulma introduces her empowering approach to therapy, which includes cognitive-behavioral strategies, boundary-setting, and helping clients identify and challenge negative thought patterns. Using memorable metaphors and a no-nonsense attitude, she encourages listeners to become their own heroes by acknowledging their inner strength, embracing progress over perfection, and using life's toughest moments as catalysts for transformation. Her mantra, “I had cancer, cancer didn’t have me,” is a rallying cry for anyone facing adversity.

Topics Covered

  • Pursuing a new career path later in life and overcoming personal adversity
  • Using cognitive behavioral therapy to reframe negative thoughts
  • Strategies for managing anxiety and depression with real-life tools
  • Embracing imperfection and showing up with your best effort each day
  • How to know when therapy is working and when it might be time to take a break
  • Becoming your own hero by recognizing past resilience and celebrating small wins

 About Zulma Williams:

Zulma Williams was born and raised in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and immigrated to the United States at the age of 31. At 42, she began her Bachelor of Social Work program, graduating at 46 in December 2011. Just two months later, she was diagnosed with breast cancer and underwent a lumpectomy. She returned to Argentina for three years before moving back to the U.S. in 2015.

At age 50, Zulma enrolled in a Master of Social Work program, completed her internship, and became fully licensed in 2018. She is the founder of Dragonfly Therapy Services and specializes in trauma, anxiety, and depression.

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Transcript
Kimi:

Kimi Walker here and welcome

Kimi:

back to the next episode of the

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Early Accountability Podcast.

Kimi:

Today we are here with Zulma, who

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is the swearing therapist, and

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she is gonna come here today and

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tell us just everything about her.

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So Zulma is, like we said,

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the swearing therapist.

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She's actually a licensed

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clinical social worker.

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Motivational speaker and founder

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of Dragonfly Therapy Services,

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where she inspires her audience to

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discover their inner warrior through

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candid approach and powerful story

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of overcoming immense adversity.

Kimi:

First off, thank you so much

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for coming here to the show.

Kimi:

Thank you.

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Thank

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you for having me, Kimi.

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I'm super excited.

Kimi:

We're excited to have you.

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Tell us about you.

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So, you have a great story.

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So you are, you're from overseas

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you live here in America.

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You started your bachelor's

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degree at 42, your master's at 50.

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You've went through cancer.

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Tell the audience just.

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Just start with your journey,

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because I think there's a

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lot of power in your story.

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If you don't mind just telling a little

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bit more about you, how you got into

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therapy, clinical, social work, and how

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you got into being the swearing therapist.

Zulma:

Okay, let's do it.

Zulma:

So yes, I was born and raised

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in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

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I moved to the United States at age of 31.

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And, I was working in accounting

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and I was 42 at the time.

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And I was like thinking about the

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future and I was like I'm not sure.

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I wanna to continue doing

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accounting for another 25 years.

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So I enrolled in a school with

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my Bachelor's of social work.

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I was 42, I graduated at 46, and I was

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on track to do my master's which is

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what I needed , to be a therapist and.

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Six weeks after graduation, I

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got diagnosed with breast cancer.

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So life, is that what happens

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when we have other plans, right?

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Spoil alert.

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I survived.

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I'm here.

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All my treatment worked, thank God.

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But clearly cancer came to show me

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how bad I wanted to be a therapist.

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'cause it didn't stop me.

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It delayed me but nobody would have,

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blame me if I was like, ah, no, I'm

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not gonna do my masters or whatever.

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So I got diagnosed, I got,

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surgery and radiation here.

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And I moved back to Argentina to be

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close to my family in after three

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years of being there, I was like,

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I'm ready to go back to America.

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This is it.

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And I asked God for a sign, right?

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I'm like, okay, please.

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Let me know that this is the right move.

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And I got out of nowhere.

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I got an email into my personal email

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from the university saying, Hey, we have

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the master of, so the advanced program.

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Do you want to enroll?

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So it's like be careful what you ask for

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and, I enrolled, I moved back,

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and I started my master's at 50.

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It was one year of not social

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life at all, 'cause like I was

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taking four or five classes.

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Semester, but I was so clear with what

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I wanted to do that I'm like, I'm the

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kind of like the mom in the classroom.

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Like my classmates are 25 and

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they're keeping me young, showing me

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Instagram and social media, and I'm

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keeping them grounded with real life,

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how to overcome real life trauma.

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But, I'm the swearing therapist

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because I like to keep it real.

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It's my way of keep keeping it real.

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I worked so hard to found my private

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practice, which is called, she mentioned

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drag on flight therapy services.

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It's a very.

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A special name because dragonflies,

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they fly on the surface of

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the water and they eat all the

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bacteria so the light can come in.

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So dragonfly symbolizes change

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that comes from the inside.

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And when you are in therapy, you

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are making the changes, right?

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So you are creating a

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better life for yourself.

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I work so hard to have my own

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private practice, so I'm not gonna

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be sitting there oh, fudge, I'm

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gonna say the other word, right?

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I'm keeping it clean because I can, it

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is been proven that I can keep it clean,

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but I like to, I think that life is

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too short and, I like to keep it real.

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My clients like, are

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you ready to get better?

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What are going hit the ground running?

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I'm not having, I'm not the type of

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therapist that's gonna, oh, okay.

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Keep me, let's think.

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No, are you ready to get better?

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I'm the therapist for you.

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Otherwise, I'll give you referrals.

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It doesn't have to be with me.

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Like you want to get better, but

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I feel we are not a good match.

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I will provide you with referrals.

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The important thing is that you are

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in this path and you start turning

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your life around whatever that means.

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To you.

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One of the things I like to reinforce

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is that when I started my, because

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we have, like this black and

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white mentality that, oh , I had

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to destroy this in order to build

Kimi:

Yeah.

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And that's not what I did,

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when I started my bachelor's, I

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was still working in accounting for

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three years until I graduated, right?

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So I was doing this.

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I continue to work in accounting

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because I had to pay bills.

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Life goes on.

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But at the same time I was

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creating a different future.

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So my present today with my own private

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practice, it started back in 2007 when I

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took my first English 101 class, right?

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Because I started building a different

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future where was still doing what I

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needed to do in the present moment.

Kimi:

Okay.

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So I wanna talk about consistency.

Kimi:

I talk a lot on this show about the early

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stages of new endeavors being accountable.

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But consistently we talk

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about consistency a lot too.

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So you've overcome

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challenges such as cancer.

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you've talked to online on your podcast

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and in social media about abusive

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relationships and overcoming depression,

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which requires a lot of resilience.

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How do you stay consistent in

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your efforts and focus on your

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mental and professional growth?

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During, especially like

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difficult times or, as you say,

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honoring your inner warrior.

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How do you stay consistent with that?

Zulma:

One day at a time.

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One day days are all different, right?

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But that's life.

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One day I'm like, oh I got this.

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And the next day I, it is so

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difficult to get out of bed.

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But as far as I. Continue to show

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up for myself in the best way

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that I can at that time, right?

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So sometimes our a hundred percent

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is over here and sometimes our

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a hundred percent is over here.

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But regardless of what is at,

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it's still a hundred percent.

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So when you are having pains or

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physical pain, or PMS in or on your

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period or whatever it might be, your

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a hundred percent might be down here.

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But it is not realistic to

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expect that a hundred percent

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is always going to be up here.

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So it's if I still gave a hundred

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percent when I'm not feeling like

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myself, it's still a hundred percent.

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So to be compassionate

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toward ourselves that.

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A hundred percent will

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look different every day.

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So that's how you keep the consistency,

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not that it how the a hundred

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percent looks like, but that you are

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giving a hundred percent every day.

Kimi:

Of what you have to give that day.

Kimi:

Exactly.

Kimi:

Okay, you specialize a lot

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in anxiety and depression.

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Can you talk more about that, how you got

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into that niche or area when it comes to

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like therapy and what kind of strategies

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do you give for people or someone who

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might feel like, okay, I am, I know this,

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or I guess maybe what are some signs

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people could look for that I need a little

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bit more help or assistance managing this?

Zulma:

Absolutely.

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So yes, I specialize in trauma,

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anxiety, and depression.

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And I think that there

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is so common because.

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Those are my specialties because

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I can connect with that, right?

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So I've seen that 80, 90% of the

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success of, the, of the therapy

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is a therapeutic relationship.

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If you don't click with me, we are

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not gonna get anywhere because,

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you are not gonna open up.

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So the way that I. I use a lot of

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cognitive behavioral therapy for

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anxiety and depression because our

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thoughts influence our feelings and our

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feelings influence our behaviors, right?

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So if I'm thinking I'm not

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enough, I'm gonna feel depressed.

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Then I'm gonna isolate, but

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if so, I focus on the thought.

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Because if I change the thought,

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then the feelings and the

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behaviors are gonna be different.

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So my approach is to question

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your thoughts all the time, right?

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I'm not good enough, or I'm not

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smart enough, or the worst is gonna

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happen, or I cannot manage this.

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Excuse me.

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You've been through a lot of

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challenges and here you are.

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How do I know?

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Because you're here.

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So none of those challenges that

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you been through could take you out.

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Why is this challenge different

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than the other challenges that

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you confronted in your life?

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So it's like I'm showing you that, right?

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So what I personally call it is not, a

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clinical term, but I use a common sense.

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Approach.

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Okay, I'm anxious and I cannot, do you

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watch the news before going to bed?

Zulma:

Yes.

Kimi:

Right.

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It's okay, if that is

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not good for you, stop doing it.

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Helping you set the

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boundaries for yourself.

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So stop watching the news

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at five o'clock, right?

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I'm not saying don't watch the news, but

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don't give that to your brain right before

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you go to bed and then you have insomnia.

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I wonder why, right?

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So it's like when you told

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me like, I'm not good enough.

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I'm gonna help you.

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I like challenge that thought and I,

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and you are the one challenging it.

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So it's not me telling you

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like, oh no, Kimi, you are fine.

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It is no.

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I ask the questions.

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So you come to the conclusion.

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That thought is not true, right?

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So we are challenging the thought,

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but you challenge it in your own

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way so that the so cannot stand

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anymore because it's not true.

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But it doesn't matter if I tell

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you like, oh, you are so smart.

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You are so beautiful.

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You got everything together.

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If you don't believe

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that, it doesn't matter.

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I, because you are not gonna believe it.

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So I give you the tools for you to

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discover and to challenge this thought

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so that you can use those tools.

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And use, you carry those tools and

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you use them, when you have to.

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So I always give this comparison.

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If you want to build a house, you go

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to Lowe's or Home Depot and you buy

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the materials and you buy the tools and

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you start building if you want to build

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a better life.

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I'll provide you with all the tools and

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how to use them, but you have to do it

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because if, so I'll show you what a hammer

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is and what the nails are and how to

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use them if you want to hang a picture.

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But if I do it for you next time

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that you need to hang a picture.

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You are gonna need me.

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So I'll show you where they

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are and how to use them.

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But you are the one hanging the picture.

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And simply because you have a

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hammer doesn't mean you have

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to carry it in your purse.

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leave it in the garage, right?

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But you know what it is for.

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So these tools that I provide

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you with are not like, oh, for

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the one time no, it is like this

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metaphor for life because it's like.

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Oh, I don't need, I don't have to

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call in order to hang the picture.

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I know how to do it

Kimi:

How do you tell people?

Kimi:

So what are some signs or times

Kimi:

or ways you tell or your clients

Kimi:

tell when it's time to end?

Kimi:

So I know some people may need

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therapy more long term, like it

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may not necessarily be once a week,

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but they need to come once a month.

Kimi:

Or how do you tell when it's time, Hey,

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I don't think you need therapy right now.

Kimi:

Or we can just do check-ins.

Kimi:

What are some things you look

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for, or especially for people

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who are thinking like, okay, am

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I gonna have to do this forever?

Kimi:

Or, I think that's something I don't

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think we've like necessarily talked

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about on the show, but I would love

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to hear your perspective on that.

Zulma:

Absolutely.

Zulma:

So it's like we decide

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this treatment together.

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So when you are running out of stuff

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to bring up to the session when.

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You started using the tools consistently.

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So it's no, you know what?

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I was getting anxious, but I

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remember to take a deep breath

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and use the grounding techniques.

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The real therapy happens

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in between the sessions.

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So when you go out there and you use

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the tools that we talk about, right?

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So I use a lot of

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self-report in determining.

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What is best for you?

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If you are doing better, I love you, but

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what, girl, go live life, like, you have

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my number when you need stuff, call me.

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So it is more about coming to the

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understanding together that you

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had gather the tools and sometimes

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I always say, when you are in the

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picture, you cannot see the picture.

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Sometimes it is my job to tell you,

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I think that, it's time for you

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to either, go live life or like

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we do with check-in, in, whatever.

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And a lot of clients are like, what?

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I'm like, this is this good

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news, what are you talking about.

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You'll have to continue coming, but

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because you have reached a point in your

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healing where now maybe you take, you

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need to take some time in order to apply

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all the tools and continue your own path

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to healing, and then something happens.

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So healing is not linear, right?

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It is like an spiral.

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So you are gonna touch the same

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subject later on, but you are going

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to realize like how far you came.

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So we are not looking for perfection,

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we're looking for progress, right?

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So if whatever made me angry for

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a week now makes me angry for

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two days, we, I'm doing better.

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So it's not about not getting

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angry, it's about how I allow

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that anger to take over my life.

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So when I'm seeing that instead

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of like holding grudges, and

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ruining my life for a week.

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Oh I'm angry, but it is

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only for a couple of days.

Zulma:

Yeah.

Zulma:

So we are seeing that progress

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and then the next time it might

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be one day or a couple of hours.

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So it's like you are

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seeing your own progress.

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And if you are having difficulty

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identifying that, that's where I come

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in and I'm showing you your progress.

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I remember one time with my own therapist,

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she was like, okay, you're doing better.

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Like we are, moving forward with this job.

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I'm like, you anymore.

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And she, so she start, she started

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listing all my achievements

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in therapy and I was like, oh.

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Okay then.

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And she said, I'm, you have my number.

Zulma:

If you need anything.

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It's not oh, don't call me anymore.

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It is that you don't need

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therapy at this time.

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Which doesn't mean.

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You're never gonna need therapy again.

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So it's like finding that, that

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agreement that you and I decide

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together on what your treatment will

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be and how long it's going to be.

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'cause I'm the therapist, but you

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are the expert in your own life.

Zulma:

So that's what we are working together.

Kimi:

You brought up a good example that

Kimi:

I was gonna lead into, about visibility.

Kimi:

And how your therapist brought

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up all these, accomplishments for

Kimi:

you and things of that nature.

Kimi:

And I know, you talk a lot about

Kimi:

people finding their internal hero.

Kimi:

How do you

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encourage your audience or

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individuals, groups, what have you,

Kimi:

to visibly acknowledge and embrace

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their strengths and victories.

Kimi:

Even how you say, like you can

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struggle and not notice it.

Kimi:

How do you encourage people to be

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visible about these and to embrace these?

Kimi:

And that doesn't necessarily mean bragging

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about it, but it's how to take power

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and ownership in that, and what does it

Kimi:

really mean to be like your internal hero?

Zulma:

Absolutely.

Zulma:

So I encourage people to recognize

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that they have a hundred percent

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track record of being successful

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and overcoming challenges.

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Again, how do I know?

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'cause you are here, because

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we all go through challenges.

Zulma:

We all go through trauma and you

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reflect back in your own life,

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at your own challenges and those

Zulma:

challenges could not take you out.

Zulma:

Why is this one different?

Zulma:

You and at the time that you were going

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through those challenges, you didn't know

Zulma:

how you were gonna come out of it, right?

Zulma:

Like you're like, oh my God, I

Zulma:

cannot do this, and somewhat.

Zulma:

You did it.

Zulma:

So I always tell the audience, if

Zulma:

you woke up today, that means that

Zulma:

your mission in life is not complete.

Zulma:

So keep putting one foot

Zulma:

in front of the other.

Zulma:

One day at a time, and if one day is

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too long, you keep putting one foot

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in front of the other one hour at a

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time, and if one hour is too long,

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you do it for 15 minutes at a time.

Zulma:

Anything that you are going through,

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if I ask you can you push through

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whatever it is, I don't need to know

Zulma:

it, but whatever it is that you are

Zulma:

confronting, can you push through

Zulma:

this thing for the next 15 minutes?

Zulma:

Yeah.

Zulma:

Okay.

Zulma:

You do that four times is one hour.

Zulma:

24 of those make one day,

Zulma:

seven of those make one week,

Zulma:

and so on and so forth, right?

Zulma:

It's it's not about, if you told me

Zulma:

like, oh my God, the rest of my life

Zulma:

it's so overwhelming, I get paralyzed.

Zulma:

But the next 15 minutes, oh yeah,

Zulma:

I can put my foot in front of the

Zulma:

other for the next 15 minutes.

Zulma:

Rinse and repeat.

Kimi:

Yes.

Kimi:

That's awesome.

Kimi:

That's awesome.

Kimi:

So Zulma, where can the audience

Kimi:

find out more about you?

Kimi:

Where can they go to hear all the

Kimi:

swear words and the cuss words?

Kimi:

If

Zulma:

all the swear words

Zulma:

that I'm not saying in here.

Zulma:

Yes.

Zulma:

In my Instagram is at

Zulma:

the swearing therapist.

Zulma:

And, they're gonna find a lot

Zulma:

of , videos about mental health

Zulma:

and, my own personal experiences.

Zulma:

My experience in I use a

Zulma:

lot of swear words in there.

Kimi:

And so you have your

Kimi:

podcast, I listen to your pod.

Kimi:

You actually don't swear that much.

Kimi:

There's a couple f-bombs in there,

Kimi:

but it's not really it's not like

Kimi:

a sailor or anything like that.

Kimi:

You really don't miss that much.

Kimi:

I was like, okay.

Kimi:

It's oh, she probably said the cuss word.

Kimi:

I thought I was like, she

Kimi:

doesn't swear that much.

Kimi:

But yes, the swearing therapist,

Kimi:

so that's on everywhere.

Kimi:

People listen to podcasts, correct?

Zulma:

Yes.

Zulma:

My podcast is called Keeping It Real

Zulma:

with Zulma, the Swearing Therapist.

Zulma:

And it's all in all the

Kimi:

Okay,

Zulma:

Yes.

Kimi:

Zulma, thank you so much again.

Kimi:

Why don't you leave us, leave

Kimi:

the audience with, what are

Kimi:

some words that you live by?

Kimi:

Do you have a mantra that you use to

Kimi:

guide yourself day in and day out?

Zulma:

Yes.

Zulma:

My mantra is I had cancer didn't have me.

Zulma:

And that can be used for any

Zulma:

challenge that anybody is confronting.

Zulma:

So either, as I said, it didn't stop me.

Zulma:

It only delayed me.

Zulma:

It is a part of me.

Zulma:

It was a part of me who

Zulma:

that made me who I am today.

Zulma:

But I didn't allow cancer

Zulma:

to take over my life.

Zulma:

I had it.

Zulma:

It didn't have me.

Kimi:

Thank you so much

Kimi:

for your word, Zulma.

Kimi:

I wanna thank you again for being

Kimi:

on the podcast and thank you so

Kimi:

much for being a guest on the show.

Kimi:

We are so grateful to have

Kimi:

you here, into the audience.

Kimi:

Until next time.

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