EAP 198: Act Justly, Love Mercy, Walk Humbly – From $70K Debt to Global Impact with Scott Maderer
In this inspiring episode of the Early Accountability Podcast, host Kimi Walker welcomes Scott Madere, stewardship coach, author, and host of the Inspire Stewardship Podcast. With a powerful personal story of financial struggle and redemption, Scott shares how he and his wife overcame over $70,000 in debt and found renewed purpose and faith along the way. Drawing on his background in teaching, behavior change, and communication, Scott now helps Christian professionals master their time, talent, and treasures to live intentionally and serve with impact.
Kimi and Scott dive deep into practical strategies for aligning values with actions, improving communication through DISC personality insights, and building a lasting legacy through consistency and purposeful visibility. With over 1,700 podcast episodes under his belt, Scott offers profound reflections on faith, leadership, and the power of small, consistent steps over time. Whether you're seeking financial peace, stronger relationships, or clarity in your calling, this conversation will leave you feeling grounded, empowered, and ready to act.
Topics Covered in This Episode:
- How Scott and his wife overcame $70,000 in debt and transformed their lives
- The importance of mastering your time, talent, and treasures
- DISC personality framework for improving relationships and communication
- Using visibility and consistency to build credibility and legacy
- The connection between faith, intentional living, and personal growth
- How podcasting helped Scott expand his impact and network globally
About Scott Maderer
In 2011, Scott and his wife, Carrie, launched Inspired Stewardship as a business to serve Christian men and couples who are struggling to live out their calling. They work to help align the way you use your time, talent, and treasures so that you can identify and live a fully authentic life—one that allows you to authentically live your calling, serve others, and provide for your family. As certified Human Behavior Senior Consultants and members of the John Maxwell Team, they focus on helping you understand yourself, understand others, and, through that understanding, build the Kingdom. In 2017, they took the business full-time, offering assistance through one-on-one coaching, speaking, and workshops. His book, Inspired Living: Assemble the Puzzle of Your Calling by Mastering Your Time, Your Talent, and Your Treasures, was published by Morgan James on July 2, 2024.
Connect with Scott Maderer
- Website: https://inspiredstewardship.com/
- Email: csmaderer@gmail.com
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Transcript
Kimi Walker here and welcome back to the next episode of the
Speaker:Early Accountability podcast.
Speaker:Today's guest is Scott Maderer, a stewardship coach, author, and host
Speaker:of Inspire Stewardship Podcast.
Speaker:He helps Christian professionals and couples master their time.
Speaker:Talent and treasures so they can live authentically and surf with intention.
Speaker:With over a decade of coaching experience and a background in behavior change
Speaker:and discommunication, Scott brings a unique blend of faith, leadership, and
Speaker:practical tools to the conversation.
Speaker:Let's dive in.
Speaker:First off, Scott, thank you so much for being here on the show.
Speaker:We're so excited to have you as a guest on the Early Accountability podcast.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:I'm glad to be here.
Speaker:Thanks for having me.
Speaker:Yeah, so why don't we start off by you telling the audience a little
Speaker:bit about yourself, your journey, how you and your wife got into the
Speaker:work that you all do now today.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:So I actually was a school teacher.
Speaker:I did that for 16 years.
Speaker:I've done a bunch of other things, run my own businesses and things.
Speaker:I've started my first business when I was 12, doing those sorts of things.
Speaker:But I became a school teacher, did that for 16 years and in
Speaker:the middle of that journey,
Speaker:my wife and I went through a period where we were having a lot of
Speaker:financial problems, had a lot of debt.
Speaker:I looked up one day and realized I had more debt than I made in a year.
Speaker:We had over $70,000 in debt.
Speaker:I made about $40,000 a year at that time.
Speaker:So it was overwhelming.
Speaker:I was actually suicidal because of the finances, and my wife and I weren't
Speaker:talking, we weren't communicating.
Speaker:We were probably headed towards divorce.
Speaker:And at some point I happened to hear something on the radio.
Speaker:It was the Dave Ramsey show turned me around, had me thinking a different way.
Speaker:I realized for the first night I wasn't thinking about killing myself.
Speaker:I was yelling at the stupid man on the radio.
Speaker:Because he was talking about all this stuff that nobody
Speaker:could do about like this.
Speaker:So I was angry.
Speaker:And arguing and then realized that, wait a minute, maybe we could do this.
Speaker:And so my wife and I sat down and decided to change the way we were
Speaker:living, do things completely differently.
Speaker:In the midst of that, I had a major surgery.
Speaker:I lost a job, changed jobs, started a new career in a corporate world.
Speaker:We managed in two years, 11 months to pay off all of our debt.
Speaker:And all of a sudden people started saying, Hey, you're.
Speaker:Y'all are weird, and then can you help us be weird?
Speaker:And so we started helping people doing it as a ministry, friends
Speaker:and family and folks at church and different people like that.
Speaker:I had my own walk into and out of the church during all of that period.
Speaker:A lot of different components in our life coming together.
Speaker:And as that happened, as I was climbing my way up, the corporate ladder.
Speaker:I realized that I really wanted to coach and help others figure out
Speaker:what they were supposed to be doing and be able to do it and find their
Speaker:calling, is how we would say that.
Speaker:And I realized that most often people thought that time and money was what
Speaker:was keeping them from doing that.
Speaker:So I began to study how to help people in those areas.
Speaker:That's where the coaching business and the stewardship business came from.
Speaker:Now, I'll tell you the truth, the real truth is I only help people with talent.
Speaker:People think the problem is time is money, but I hate to tell you this.
Speaker:The actual problem is you.
Speaker:But the good news is you're also the solution,
Speaker:Oh, okay.
Speaker:you know it.
Speaker:It is one of those things where the way we handle our time and the way we handle our
Speaker:money is really not about time and money.
Speaker:It's about how we handle ourselves and the decisions we make and the choices
Speaker:we make and all of those things.
Speaker:And so because of that, that became the focus of the coaching.
Speaker:Started it on the side, then reversed my climb up the corporate ladder, took
Speaker:over a year to leave the company so that I didn't leave them in a lurch.
Speaker:Started my own business and now I've been coaching full-time since 2017.
Speaker:Started it part-time back in 2011.
Speaker:Love what I'm doing and my commute's a lot better.
Speaker:It's all of about 30 seconds.
Speaker:That, that's, it says I work from home and work virtually.
Speaker:Awesome job.
Speaker:This is good.
Speaker:This is really good.
Speaker:How big was faith in your transition into full-time coaching?
Speaker:For me, it was huge.
Speaker:I had actually was raised in a Christian household, was a believer, actually
Speaker:thought about becoming, a pastor, applied to seminary, those sorts of things.
Speaker:And then because of some things that happened in my personal life and with
Speaker:the church and others, I turned away and was gonna a lot of us do when
Speaker:we go through college, had a crisis of faith and left the church left.
Speaker:Said, I didn't believe in God and all of these things.
Speaker:And as I was going through those financial problems that I was talking
Speaker:about earlier, I also began to realize that there was something missing.
Speaker:And it was part of, for me, it was expressed as part of my faith journey.
Speaker:And I began to return to the church and become part of that again, I'm
Speaker:now very active in nonprofits and church boards and church committees
Speaker:and, these sorts of things, both at, a local and national level and
Speaker:it was part of that journey towards turning my life around was also turning my
Speaker:life back to, a relationship with God and a belief, for me that was going back home.
Speaker:The interesting thing is nothing changed in terms of the church or
Speaker:the people or the stuff or the thing.
Speaker:What changed was me and the way I looked at it, and realizing that,
Speaker:if there was a perfect church out there, they wouldn't let me in anyway.
Speaker:So I need to stop looking for everything to be perfect and just
Speaker:learn to have a relationship, with God, that I could lean on.
Speaker:And so that became part of it.
Speaker:And then for the coaching part, what I always tell people
Speaker:is, I'm a person of faith.
Speaker:That's the framework I use, and how I believe that doesn't mean you
Speaker:have to believe the same things.
Speaker:But a lot of what I teach comes out of what I've learned through studying
Speaker:faith in the Bible and my relationship.
Speaker:So I've gotta give you advice like that, but it doesn't mean you have to
Speaker:go to church or you have to believe a certain way or anything like that.
Speaker:It just turns out it works anyway.
Speaker:And so because of that, I've been blessed enough to work with people all over
Speaker:the world of all different backgrounds and beliefs, and everything else.
Speaker:And still we find common ground and find a way to communicate about it.
Speaker:One of my clients who was a devout Muslim.
Speaker:Told me at one point, at the end of working with him for about three years,
Speaker:he looked at me one day and he said, I'm gonna pay you a compliment, but I'm not
Speaker:sure you're gonna take it as a compliment.
Speaker:I'm like, okay, what's that?
Speaker:He says, you're Christian, but you're not annoying about it.
Speaker:I went, I'll take that as a compliment.
Speaker:I'm good with that as a compliment and
Speaker:It's
Speaker:said, so I, I tell people, I try to be Christian, but not annoying about it.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:That's a good I like that.
Speaker:That's a good, because Whew.
Speaker:Yeah, it could be
Speaker:Yeah, there are people that make it where you're like, really?
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I think in all denominations.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think that exists.
Speaker:And a lot of different things.
Speaker:But yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So Scott, you talk a lot, about mastering and I think this is really
Speaker:important framework 'cause like here in the show we talk about early
Speaker:accountability or getting aligned.
Speaker:You talk a lot about mastering your time, talent, and treasures.
Speaker:Can you break down what each of those means in your framework?
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:So as I alluded to earlier, you, the real concentration is talent.
Speaker:So I'm gonna leave that for last, but what usually shows up first as
Speaker:a symptom is our time and our money.
Speaker:So I'll give you an example for time.
Speaker:A lot of times it plays out like this.
Speaker:You look up and you find yourself saying, man, I
Speaker:it's been really busy.
Speaker:In fact, nowadays we almost use that as a badge of honor.
Speaker:Somebody says, how you doing?
Speaker:And one of the, we usually answer one of two ways.
Speaker:We either say, I'm okay, which is just a polite way of saying,
Speaker:please stop talking to me.
Speaker:Or we say I'm busy.
Speaker:Seems to be the two answers to that question nowadays, because we're
Speaker:looking at things from this point of view of somehow busy is a good
Speaker:thing, and the reality is busy simply means doing a lot of stuff.
Speaker:Busy has nothing to do with how important this stuff is.
Speaker:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker:And so we have that frustration of, man, I've been busy all day.
Speaker:I'm running and gunning.
Speaker:I'm, hustle, all of those things.
Speaker:But nothing's happening.
Speaker:I'm not moving forward.
Speaker:I'm not growing.
Speaker:I'm not being, I'm not finding the joy in it.
Speaker:I'm just doing, I'm not being, and so a lot of times when
Speaker:that frustration shows up.
Speaker:I can help with that.
Speaker:And the third component, the money component, the treasures
Speaker:that shows up as, I've got too much month and not enough money.
Speaker:It's the, I've run outta money before I get to the end of the month.
Speaker:It's that, I make too much money to feel this broke.
Speaker:I know money's coming in and I know money's going out,
Speaker:but I really have no idea of.
Speaker:What's happening or where it's going.
Speaker:I just know I never have enough to really get to the things
Speaker:that are important to me.
Speaker:Instead, I feel like I'm doing all of these things just to make ends meet,
Speaker:and by the way, live in paycheck to paycheck is not about how much you make.
Speaker:There's people that are, I've worked with clients that make $37,000
Speaker:a year, and I've worked with a client that made $250,000 a month.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Both of them had their own sets of challenges.
Speaker:They're different challenges, obviously.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:But they're challenges, and it's not that they're the same, but they're
Speaker:still this, we still have a lot of the same frustrations, a lot of
Speaker:the same feelings that underlie it.
Speaker:And that's why it brings us to the third component talent, because at the
Speaker:end of the day, it's really not your time and your money, it's you, because
Speaker:what those are really about, you talked about alignment and accountability.
Speaker:That's what it's about.
Speaker:It's about.
Speaker:Stepping back and going, wait, what is really important to me?
Speaker:What are my actual values?
Speaker:What am I trying to become?
Speaker:What am I trying to be, and am I creating the margin to do that?
Speaker:It's the old thing of you can tell me all day long what's important to you,
Speaker:but if you really want me to see what's important to you, let me see your
Speaker:calendar and let me see your checkbook.
Speaker:Or nowadays, let me see your bake app and let me see Google
Speaker:Calendar, but it's the same thing.
Speaker:Show me where you're spending your time and show me where you're spending
Speaker:your money, and I'm gonna tell you what you're really valuing, not what
Speaker:Ooh, yes.
Speaker:And when you get that lined up where they actually match.
Speaker:Then what it's no longer about how much you make or how much
Speaker:you have or what you get.
Speaker:You find the joy in the journey.
Speaker:You find the joy in the being.
Speaker:You find the joy in the moments, and contentment is the word
Speaker:that the Bible uses for it.
Speaker:Whether, 'cause it's not about how much you have, it's about finding the gratitude
Speaker:and the joy in what where you are at.
Speaker:And recognizing that it's a journey no matter what.
Speaker:I tell everybody your life is a film strip, not a photograph.
Speaker:That's
Speaker:no matter where you are, guess what later is gonna be different, and
Speaker:whether you're at the top of the mountain or you're at the deepest
Speaker:darkest valley, all I can tell you is.
Speaker:It's going to change.
Speaker:I can't tell you where or how or when, but I can tell you it's going to change.
Speaker:So in those moments of high, we can't live there.
Speaker:In those moments in the valley, we can't live there either because it's all part of
Speaker:the journey, and once you start realizing that and recognizing that, then you can
Speaker:lean into the joy and the contentment at the moment and actually really align
Speaker:your life with what's important to you.
Speaker:I wanna I guess I wanna say pick your brain or challenge
Speaker:you a little bit on this.
Speaker:Or tell you, tell me your perspective on it in a challenging way, so if you
Speaker:are, I don't like to use the word broke.
Speaker:Like living paycheck to paycheck or barely me living paycheck to paycheck
Speaker:or robbing for Paul to pay Peter.
Speaker:So I'm not gonna pay this month, I'll pay this.
Speaker:What are you looking for there?
Speaker:To see what they value, because to me that looks like I'm valuing, thriving.
Speaker:I guess when, I'm gonna hear your thoughts on that
Speaker:it depends.
Speaker:First off, there's no one size fits all answer or solution or challenge.
Speaker:Okay?
Speaker:It's always nuanced because, that's one of the mistakes I think we make
Speaker:is a lot of things that are out there are taught as a justice, just do
Speaker:what I did and everything will work.
Speaker:And it's maybe not okay, because you're a different person, you're in a different
Speaker:situation and you value different things.
Speaker:But let's talk about it from a framework point of view,
Speaker:because frameworks are gonna work regardless of the details, right?
Speaker:So it's really less about.
Speaker:Where are you spending your money in terms of living paycheck to
Speaker:paycheck, robbing Peter to pay Paul?
Speaker:That's about survival.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:But guess what?
Speaker:At the end of the day, that's not where you wanna be the rest of your life.
Speaker:I've never heard anyone in that mode that's yeah, I just kinda like it here.
Speaker:I'll just hang out.
Speaker:They wanna change how they're living, but that could be making different
Speaker:decisions that may be about income.
Speaker:It may be about finding a different job, finding a different career.
Speaker:It may be about outgo.
Speaker:Or usually it's about both.
Speaker:It's not one or the other.
Speaker:It's both.
Speaker:It's about finding ways to change what you are in terms of career and
Speaker:income, and they might be starting a business, might be whatever, right?
Speaker:Might be changing jobs, might be getting married, and now you have two incomes.
Speaker:In that case, whatever things will change.
Speaker:And on the expense side, a lot of times what's happening is it's
Speaker:less about can't pay and more about don't know what's going on.
Speaker:And I'll give you an example.
Speaker:Most common one, I've had tons of people tell me I only
Speaker:spend $200 a month eating out.
Speaker:I just randomly picked a number.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Okay, great.
Speaker:Let's audit that.
Speaker:Let's just, for the next month, let's track what you spend on eating out.
Speaker:Just every time you eat out, just jot it down on a sheet of paper.
Speaker:You'll carry this notebook around and jot it down.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Or put it in your phone on the notes app.
Speaker:And they do that for a month and they're like, I spent $600 on eating out.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's like that's three times what I thought I was spending because they
Speaker:just weren't paying attention 'cause it's not really about the money, it's
Speaker:about the attention and the intention.
Speaker:What's your intention and what are you paying attention to?
Speaker:And once you start doing that, we call that refocusing
Speaker:in the framework that I use.
Speaker:'cause you refocus, gain control and set a plan.
Speaker:Refocus is the figuring out what's important to you.
Speaker:Gain control is all of the tools and the techniques and figuring out what to do.
Speaker:And then set a plan is, okay, now this is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker:And then guess what happens?
Speaker:Things change and you gotta refocus again, and you gotta gain control again.
Speaker:And you gotta set a plan again, and then things change again.
Speaker:And you gotta, so it's, it never really ends, but it's about
Speaker:that process and that growth.
Speaker:And then what happens is a lot of times you end up, six months later,
Speaker:10 months later, you're like, I'm not having to rob Peter to pay Paul anymore.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And it's not that things dramatically change, you just started having
Speaker:intention and paying attention.
Speaker:That's really good.
Speaker:Okay, so let's talk about communication a little bit, 'cause
Speaker:I think that's important too.
Speaker:So you've talked about how we have to, be more intentional and it, you
Speaker:brought up a lot about just awareness.
Speaker:So what are these tools or things we can use to create awareness about ourselves
Speaker:or what we're doing or habits, et cetera.
Speaker:So you, do DISC, can you talk about DISC?,, You're
Speaker:certified at DISC communication.
Speaker:How can someone understanding their own personality and others,
Speaker:how can that help them improve, like their leadership qualities or
Speaker:just their general relationships?
Speaker:So DISC is a communication and personality framework.
Speaker:So there's a ton of them out there.
Speaker:Myers-Briggs, Enneagram disc, all of these.
Speaker:And by the way, none of them are like good or bad.
Speaker:I'll tell you why I like Disc is 'cause, I can carry it around in my head.
Speaker:Real quickly, let me explain it and then I'll actually ask you to play along
Speaker:and tell me what you think you are.
Speaker:So basically this was.
Speaker:developed by a gentleman named Marston.
Speaker:He came up with this way of looking at normal people.
Speaker:That was actually one of the weird things as he was studying normal
Speaker:people instead of abnormal psychology.
Speaker:And he said, okay.
Speaker:So some people are more outgoing and some people are more reserved.
Speaker:Now be careful 'cause that's not introvert and extrovert.
Speaker:That's actually something different.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Outgoing here.
Speaker:Think of that as your internal energy.
Speaker:So an outgoing person is that person that gets up in the
Speaker:morning and they're like go.
Speaker:Run everything.
Speaker:Boom, move, move.
Speaker:They're constantly talking.
Speaker:They're constantly moving.
Speaker:They move their hands when they talk.
Speaker:They've got a lot of energy.
Speaker:That's an outgoing person.
Speaker:Okay?
Speaker:Reserved, on the other hand, are a little calmer.
Speaker:They're a little quieter, they talk a little slower.
Speaker:They move a little slower.
Speaker:They take longer to make decisions.
Speaker:That's a reserved person.
Speaker:Okay, so play along for you.
Speaker:Would you consider yourself more outgoing or more reserved?
Speaker:Most of the time.
Speaker:More outgoing.
Speaker:Okay, so you're at the top of that.
Speaker:Think of this as a, we're gonna make a quadrant.
Speaker:You're at the top.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Now, the left right side, on one hand he said some people are more task
Speaker:oriented and some people are more.
Speaker:People oriented.
Speaker:And again, none of these are a value judgment.
Speaker:So don't think of these as good or bad.
Speaker:They're just different.
Speaker:We're wired different.
Speaker:We're built different.
Speaker:So a task oriented person, this is a person that when you tell
Speaker:them to do something, they think about what needs to get done.
Speaker:This is the person, they like to make lists, they like to
Speaker:check things off the list.
Speaker:They like to get results.
Speaker:They want things to happen.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And that's what.
Speaker:You know when they get jazzed, it's 'cause stuff happened
Speaker:Where a people oriented person, they're more interested in the who.
Speaker:when you give them a task to do, they're thinking about.
Speaker:Who do I need to involve?
Speaker:How is this gonna affect the people you know who's on the team?
Speaker:Oh, today I get to talk to this person or engage with that person
Speaker:and that's what gives me energy and that's what jazzes me up.
Speaker:Or how can I take care of this person and make sure this person, so some people
Speaker:are more task and some put more people.
Speaker:For you, would you put yourself in task or people?
Speaker:Definitely people.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So your primary then would be outgoing.
Speaker:People.
Speaker:So it's this upper right hand quadrant.
Speaker:If you think of four quadrants that we've divided.
Speaker:So I'm gonna go around the clock, I'll get to your second.
Speaker:So the upper left, which is outgoing task, those are Ds.
Speaker:These are high drivers.
Speaker:These are results oriented people.
Speaker:These are the people that are lead, follow, or get outta my way
Speaker:'cause I'm gonna run you over.
Speaker:Okay?
Speaker:About 10% of the population is these people.
Speaker:They are go all about results.
Speaker:I, which is what you identified.
Speaker:Second quadrant.
Speaker:That's inspirational.
Speaker:The eyes are, they're very fun people.
Speaker:They love, they're the ones that if they're in an event and somebody says,
Speaker:Hey, we need somebody on the state.
Speaker:They're already on the stage.
Speaker:The person hasn't even finished the sentence, and they're like, I'm up here.
Speaker:I'm ready to go.
Speaker:I'm, cheerleader.
Speaker:I'm out here.
Speaker:I'm engaged and active.
Speaker:They love fun.
Speaker:Their energy is fun.
Speaker:By the way, that again, doesn't make them bad people.
Speaker:It doesn't make them good people.
Speaker:That's just what drives them.
Speaker:And then the third quadrant, so that's reserved.
Speaker:And people, that's a supporter.
Speaker:These are the nicest people on the planet.
Speaker:They're calm, they're collected, they're all about fairness, the status quo.
Speaker:They don't like conflict.
Speaker:They're quiet.
Speaker:That's that person.
Speaker:And then the last quadrant, which is task oriented and reserved is a C.
Speaker:Okay, that's cautious.
Speaker:They're gonna be the people that are about getting it right.
Speaker:They're perfectionists.
Speaker:They tend to, they want everything to have an order and a step.
Speaker:They wanna understand why before they do things.
Speaker:Okay, so there's DI, S, and C. Now, you put yourself in the eye.
Speaker:If you had to pick one of the other three based on what I just said, where
Speaker:do you think your second place would be?
Speaker:Let's see.
Speaker:Are you more task or are you more reserved when you're when you give a second option?
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So you probably would go down, so you're probably an S and an I blend.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Which means you're about fun and you're about taking care of people.
Speaker:Does that, fairness, rightness, that kind of thing.
Speaker:I like, yes, I'm big on justice.
Speaker:I'm not.
Speaker:I do sometimes need checklists for things, but I don't have to.
Speaker:And I do wanna know why I have to do things.
Speaker:I do a reasoning but I don't necessarily have to always have a checklist.
Speaker:But sometimes, I do one, but I'm not about to just, oh, every time
Speaker:everything's about to have a spreadsheet type people, I'm not that type.
Speaker:And that, and you're actually pointing out a really good
Speaker:thing because this is the truth.
Speaker:Most of us are not one of these.
Speaker:Sometimes we're a blend of at least two, often three.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And there's another component.
Speaker:Sometimes it's about how we do when we're around other people, and then there's also
Speaker:how we do, if we're just left to our own devices and get to do whatever we want.
Speaker:Okay, so there's what we call the basic and the environment.
Speaker:What do you do when you're put in an environment?
Speaker:What do you do when you're left by yourself?
Speaker:So there's actually more complexity to this that I can get into, but we're just
Speaker:doing a kind of a surface level pass.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So now let's back up.
Speaker:Why is all of this important?
Speaker:Imagine for a minute that you.
Speaker:Who is both of your components that are people oriented are high.
Speaker:Okay?
Speaker:So you really talk to, think about the people.
Speaker:And your boss, let's say, happens to be a DC They're on
Speaker:the other side of the grid, okay?
Speaker:So they're all about the task and the results and the checklist and the
Speaker:why and the steps and all of that.
Speaker:And they come over to you and they say Hey Kimi, I need you to get this done here.
Speaker:Here's the process let me know if you have any problems.
Speaker:And off they go.
Speaker:You're not feeling taken care of.
Speaker:You're hearing that as, man, they just dumped this on my desk.
Speaker:That's gonna sound like a lot of fun, this is kinda like work now, but on
Speaker:the other hand, if they deliver that same task and they came over and they
Speaker:said, Kimi, we've got this new process that we're trying to put in place.
Speaker:I know that you're really good at thinking through the process and making
Speaker:sure that folks are taken care of and that, we haven't missed anything.
Speaker:Nothing's gonna fall through the cracks so that everyone
Speaker:can complete it and do it well.
Speaker:Would you mind going through this a couple of times and just making sure
Speaker:and making notes, and if there's anything that we've missed or that
Speaker:you feel is maybe going the wrong way.
Speaker:Would you come back and talk to me about it and that way we can adjust the process
Speaker:and make sure everyone's taken care of.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:You're like, Ooh, yeah, I like that.
Speaker:You got a big smile on your face.
Speaker:It could be the exact same job.
Speaker:All I did was present it to you in your language.
Speaker:And if I'm over here and I'm speaking German because I'm all task oriented
Speaker:person, and you're over there and you're speaking French because
Speaker:you're a people oriented person.
Speaker:I can yell at you all day long in German.
Speaker:It doesn't help, so it's about understanding first, how am I wired?
Speaker:So what is my natural communication gonna be?
Speaker:And then also around how are the people around me wired so that I can
Speaker:adapt my communication to meet them where they need to be heard, right?
Speaker:Because we gotta take care of and care about people.
Speaker:And by the way, I am a task oriented person.
Speaker:I am that DC that I was just talking about, those are
Speaker:my two highest components.
Speaker:right.
Speaker:But when I was a leader of teams and I figured out who my S's were,
Speaker:I literally had an event on my calendar that would pop up once a
Speaker:week that said, go visit this person.
Speaker:I had three people that I went and visited on Wednesday afternoon, and
Speaker:then the next three people, and the next three people until I'd worked
Speaker:through all of my people and then they came back up on the list again.
Speaker:They knew it was an event on my calendar.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:They knew that this was their Wednesday, and they would sit there in their queue
Speaker:waiting for me to come by, 'cause it was like, and, I made a, I literally took
Speaker:notes in a notebook and so I would walk up and I'd be like, Hey Kimi, Hey, you.
Speaker:Tell me your kids had a basketball game last week.
Speaker:How'd it go?
Speaker:Oh good.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:they win?
Speaker:I, all of that.
Speaker:You knew I was writing it down.
Speaker:It didn't matter because it's oh, he cares enough to care about me.
Speaker:And they loved it, by the way, I didn't have to do that with my eyes 'cause
Speaker:the eyes, they come to my office.
Speaker:they came to me, I didn't have to go seek them out.
Speaker:Got it.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:they'd knock on the door going, Hey, guess what?
Speaker:Let me tell you about the soccer game last night.
Speaker:And so you can learn what your people are and what they need and how to communicate
Speaker:that works with your client, that works with your customers, that works with
Speaker:yourself, that works with your spouse.
Speaker:And that's just real quick, down and dirty.
Speaker:There's you could spend hours and hours on this, but that's, gives you
Speaker:a quick overview of how it applied.
Speaker:Oh wow.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:That's good.
Speaker:That's.
Speaker:Really, it's a lot to, it's a lot to think of, I guess even
Speaker:in a love language type of
Speaker:Perspective of this person may have been showing you or really demonstrating
Speaker:what they feel is loving, but that might not give you buzzy type of a
Speaker:They're gonna work in the way that's natural to them.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:That's not, and again, it's not a value statement, that's not a good or bad.
Speaker:You need all of these.
Speaker:You need people from all of these components.
Speaker:I jokingly say the reason that there's only 10% of the population
Speaker:that is a D is 'cause if they were all Ds, we'd kill each other.
Speaker:Nobody would get anything done.
Speaker:We'd be, it'd be, it'd be like hunger Games out there, it would not work.
Speaker:By the way, the most common type is the S's.
Speaker:Oh, really?
Speaker:Okay?
Speaker:By far.
Speaker:It's about 10% Ds, about 20 to 25% I, and about 20 to 25% C. Everyone
Speaker:else is an S, so it is by far the most common kind of person on the
Speaker:planet from a wiring perspective.
Speaker:Oh wow, that's crazy.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:So I do wanna ask, okay, so we do also talk on this show about being visible,
Speaker:whether it's like visibility, if I'm trying to change something, I'm trying to
Speaker:do something, just how visibility helps us with accountability and accountability
Speaker:partners or groups or what have you.
Speaker:But you talk a lot about purpose and impact, which is huge,
Speaker:which goes into legacy, right?
Speaker:You have hosted over 700 podcast
Speaker:Over 1700.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Actually episodes yeah.
Speaker:Oh my God.
Speaker:Over 500 interviews and over a thousand solo episodes.
Speaker:I started it in 2018.
Speaker:At one point I was podcasting six days a week, so I did that for, almost two years.
Speaker:Spell podcast.
Speaker:That is so if you're a podcaster, you would know how much work that is.
Speaker:That just, I'm like, amazed.
Speaker:Six days a week.
Speaker:At one time I was podcasting for about a year and a half, almost two years.
Speaker:I was podcasting six days a week.
Speaker:Were you live or,
Speaker:I did a interview on a Monday, and then I did an interview on a Saturday,
Speaker:and then I did everything else was a solo episode and I took Sundays off.
Speaker:And I didn't do them as live, I did them prerecorded, edited, and then released.
Speaker:So you, you were record on Tuesday you batched up and it released on Wednesday.
Speaker:I did a batch.
Speaker:So
Speaker:Okay, you
Speaker:I literally blocked off a day, and so on Monday I would do two interviews.
Speaker:And record.
Speaker:they would several weeks out, and then I would do set of solo
Speaker:episodes the rest of that day.
Speaker:So at that time, I would batch off basically an entire day just to do
Speaker:nothing but a week worth of podcast episodes and then keep going like that.
Speaker:That's good.
Speaker:You're going into all this accountability that I like and
Speaker:this is what I try to tell people.
Speaker:There's a lot, there's a lot of lessons in this, so it's
Speaker:a lot about being consistent,
Speaker:Consistently showing up online, being visible., And just you
Speaker:are leaving a humongous foot.
Speaker:Your legacy is everywhere.
Speaker:I think just talk to us about that.
Speaker:'cause it can be applied to other things outside of podcast too.
Speaker:How has doing that, being here and having this consistent presence visibly span
Speaker:standing in your truth, and like you said, your purpose and your power, how
Speaker:has that shaped your business, you feel?
Speaker:And how has that helped you with feeling as, as far as like leading your legacy?
Speaker:So all sorts of things.
Speaker:I have a book you mentioned earlier, I'm an author Inspired Living that
Speaker:came outta the podcast and when I say that came out the podcast, what
Speaker:I mean is the content in that book.
Speaker:How did I come up with the content?
Speaker:It was through talking and processing and thinking through on the podcast
Speaker:and trying things out and, talking about them with a guest or talking
Speaker:about them on a solo episode.
Speaker:All of that consistency that you're talking about.
Speaker:It's not just consistency of doing it was consistency of learning and thinking
Speaker:through and processing and getting deeper, and then I'd go work with a
Speaker:client and something would happen or I'd learn something with that client.
Speaker:I'd bring it back to the podcast and I'd think about it, and I
Speaker:literally talk about it out loud.
Speaker:See, I don't write.
Speaker:But I talk, that's how I process.
Speaker:I'm an auditory person.
Speaker:I like to think about it out loud.
Speaker:And so I talk the book, what's more, the person that helped me,
Speaker:that was a writing coach for me, I met them through the podcast.
Speaker:The person who did the Forward, I met them through the podcast, the
Speaker:publisher that published the book.
Speaker:I met them through the podcast.
Speaker:The people that I quoted in the book.
Speaker:I met all of them through the podcast.
Speaker:All of these connections that I had and these networks that I had came
Speaker:about through, I was interviewing people on my show or I was going on
Speaker:other people's shows to be interviewed.
Speaker:That was that connection that you're talking about.
Speaker:I built the network.
Speaker:Then when it was time to harvest that network and turned it into a book,
Speaker:I had I literally could reach out to Dan Miller and go, Hey, I'd love for
Speaker:you to do the forward in my book.
Speaker:Would you be willing to Absolutely.
Speaker:Because he knew me, he'd interacted with me, I'd had him on my show multiple times.
Speaker:I'd gone on his, there was those connections.
Speaker:And so what I talk about and this is you're talking about visibility.
Speaker:I actually talk about a formula called VCP, visibility plus credibility.
Speaker:Over time equals profitability.
Speaker:Guess here's what happens.
Speaker:Visibility is just showing up.
Speaker:Visibility is being out there.
Speaker:Credibility is showing up in a way where people go, that's interesting.
Speaker:I'd like to learn more.
Speaker:You seem to know something.
Speaker:Being an author is a credibility tool, 'cause guess what?
Speaker:People look at that and go, Hey, he must know something.
Speaker:He wrote a book.
Speaker:It doesn't actually, now I hope I've written a good book, but, it, that
Speaker:actually isn't what's important.
Speaker:It's the credibility tool.
Speaker:Being on your podcast is credibility, because if I come on your show,
Speaker:I'm somewhat of an expert.
Speaker:Having someone on my show is a credibility tool for me as well as for
Speaker:them 'cause when you have a guest, it's ooh, that some of that rubs off on you.
Speaker:So you do visibility plus credibility and you do that consistently over time.
Speaker:And that leads to profitability.
Speaker:'cause you're, I've had over a thousand clients in 20 countries.
Speaker:How do people in other countries find me?
Speaker:Because podcasts.
Speaker:Go across international borders.
Speaker:Turns out that there's people in Germany listening to my podcast,
Speaker:there's people in Germany buying a book.
Speaker:Those things.
Speaker:Nowadays, especially, they cross those lines and they go out in a way that you
Speaker:don't even think about and you don't even realize, and they're long tail, guess
Speaker:what for good or ill the stuff that's on the internet lives for a long time.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:Ooh.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:And if it's bad stuff, it lives for a long time.
Speaker:If it's good stuff, it lives for a long time.
Speaker:So when you curate that and you realize that's showing up, like you're
Speaker:talking about consistently over time, little by little, dripping it out.
Speaker:And then here's the really cool thing.
Speaker:You can make massive impacts, but it's not about hitting the ball outta the park.
Speaker:It's about little bitty constant tiny things, 15 minutes a day, 20 minutes a
Speaker:day, one day a week, five minutes a day.
Speaker:Those little things add up.
Speaker:And so it's not about doing everything perfect every day.
Speaker:It's not about hitting it out of the park with a one, winning the lottery.
Speaker:And that's gonna change my life.
Speaker:It's about those small, consistent efforts and how they add up
Speaker:over a long period of time.
Speaker:That's what really makes an impact and leaves the legacy.
Speaker:That's it's just so much.
Speaker:This is very one, very aspiring for me too.
Speaker:Even as a podcaster where keep going.
Speaker:Do more intentionally, I would say and I talk a lot too, or have started to
Speaker:do a lot of things with my agency, like the early Accountability agency with
Speaker:helping other people really see the power of podcasting and how it can lever for
Speaker:not only just content, but connections, collaborations, and same thing.
Speaker:I interview a lot of people, not as many.
Speaker:I'm not there yet, but I've met a lot of people and found a lot of people
Speaker:who helped me in different things.
Speaker:Through my podcast, and it's definitely a way to, another way to
Speaker:align yourself around people who, may have a different angle with you
Speaker:have, who have similar goals, but may bring it, like you said, a different
Speaker:perspective or different insight.
Speaker:And you met all of those people through podcasting, and so that's great.
Speaker:And again, like you said, it doesn't have to be a podcast.
Speaker:You can do this other ways, but the concept is still the same.
Speaker:It's about finding that thing that for you, I jokingly tell
Speaker:people why did I start a podcast?
Speaker:'cause I hate to write.
Speaker:And I love to talk, podcasts made sense for me.
Speaker:For somebody else, it might be, a blog, it might be a video thing,
Speaker:it might be speaking, it might be, there's a million things.
Speaker:It might even just be showing up at work consistently.
Speaker:Little by little over time, it doesn't have to be everything or
Speaker:your whole thing to have value.
Speaker:It just needs to have that consistent small steps.
Speaker:That's good.
Speaker:So Scott, this is really good.
Speaker:I hope you come back to the show.
Speaker:I feel like we more we could deep dive into.
Speaker:It was really good.
Speaker:I'd be happy to anytime.
Speaker:thank you.
Speaker:Why don't you tell the audience, so you're all over the internet, but tell us, where
Speaker:the audience should go if they wanna, be able to more, have more focus and
Speaker:learn more about you and your offerings.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:So what I always do, is I put a landing page together for every podcast that
Speaker:I've gone on, and so I've done that.
Speaker:For your listeners, if you go over to my website, which is inspiredstewardship.com,
Speaker:and then just forward slash.
Speaker:Early accountability, all one word, no spaces, all lowercase.
Speaker:What you'll find there is I put together some free resources, some
Speaker:free downloads that you can have.
Speaker:There's information about my podcast there, my book, all
Speaker:of that stuff on one place.
Speaker:That way it's really easy for everyone to find it.
Speaker:It's also, a link over there if you want to jump on a call.
Speaker:This isn't about selling you anything, it's really just if something I
Speaker:struck you, you've got a question or
Speaker:want more clarification?
Speaker:You'd always schedule time and I'd love to have a chat with anybody.
Speaker:And again, you can find all of that over@inspiredstewardship.com
Speaker:slash early accountability.
Speaker:So Scott, so what are some words that you live by?
Speaker:Do you have a daily mantra that you use to guide yourself in your life?
Speaker:So I, I've got two things, but, the kind of daily living it is actually on, a, it's
Speaker:right behind my head, so you can't see it.
Speaker:There's, a sign back there that has it is from Micah six eight,
Speaker:in the Bible, which is, there's different translations, but it's.
Speaker:" He has shown you immortal.
Speaker:What is good and what does the Lord require of you to act justly and to love
Speaker:mercy, and to walk humbly with your God."
Speaker:And that's for me is what I try to do every day.
Speaker:I think it's about love, it's about justice, it's about mercy.
Speaker:It's about grace.
Speaker:I try the best I can to live that out every day.
Speaker:Don't always succeed, but that's what I try to do.
Speaker:And to do that, one of the things for me, is I have what I call a breath pair, which
Speaker:is every time I breathe, especially when I'm upset or frustrated or whatever, I try
Speaker:to breathe, your will, not mine, because at the end of the day, I have to remember.
Speaker:I'm not here to do what I want to do.
Speaker:I'm here to do what God's put me here to do, and that reminder sometimes keeps
Speaker:me a little humble and keeps me from falling into pride and all of those
Speaker:Yeah, I understand it.
Speaker:Scott, thank you so much for, being a guest on the show.
Speaker:You have really given us a lot.
Speaker:There's so many gems in here, how we can apply to so many
Speaker:different dimensions in life.
Speaker:So I just wanted to thank you again for being a guest on the
Speaker:podcast and to the audience.
Speaker:Until next time.
